Feedback - lack of
I've enjoyed Focussion for a couple of months now but over the last couple of weeks I have noticed that feedback is getting less and less. I have also noticed that people who were using this site when I first came onto it have now disappeared and regular posters are becoming a lot less frequent! It is still always good to see other's pictures but without the feedback a lot of people will lose interest and possibly move away from this site...so come on everyone, please post constructive feedback as much as possible!
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luc
@ViewsOfParadise yep, totally agree... with the large influx of people it stopped being fun...
16 July 2012
@barrington I think many people think the same as us but just dont dare/want to say it... thank for your support
@Aljan, i guess there is not that much you can do to make it fun again for 'us'... Hard to kick members i guess (although i wouldnt mind) -
Aljan
@barrington @luc Agree, will try to adjust the code to which determines the most helpful members, it isn't correct right now.
16 July 2012
@ViewsOfParadise that's not good, I really want to encourage people to post feedback that's helpful. Next week I'm going to work on a improvement in the feedback system, I hope this will help. And I need to think about something that rewards constructive feedback more. Thanks for your feedback in this topic, I really appreciate it. -
barrington
@luc totally agree. Anybody new who came across the site would probably look at the most helpful member, look at the photo's they produce and the feedback they leave, and get a terrible first impression. And all the people who constantly say "nothing to improve here" should be selecting the basic feedback option, as if they do not have anything new to offer to a photograph, then i'm afraid it is a basic comment in every sense of the word.
15 July 2012 -
ViewsOfParadise
Hello, Long time no see. As for myself, I quite posting photos on Focussion a couple months ago. Ever since the first of this year the website gained a very large influx of new members and the quality of the comments decreased considerably, as did the quality of the photos being uploade. This site stopped being a "fun" site to participate in.
15 July 2012
Personally I really miss the constructive criticism which was gained by people reviewing my photos and reading the same on other peoples pictures. It was a great way to learn and grow as a photographer, but they (the good constructive comments) all came to a halt very quickly in late January and early February of this year. -
luc
What annoys me very much is that the person with the most feedback is the 'most helpfull member'. Obv its clear who i am talking about. 99% of her comments are completely useless.... and it demotivates me enormously to post pictures or comments... im about to leave this forum...
15 July 2012 -
Aljan
And an other nice article http://www.pixiq.com/article/doing-a-photo-critique
6 July 2012 -
Aljan
Does anyone have any links to articles about how to write good feedback?
6 July 2012
I found one on Pixiq: http://www.pixiq.com/article/get-better-feedback -
mblum4
Mr Akdjan ,i will do that ,,,thanks you for the kind way you are ,its what is all about photography here and i love this site ,,,
29 June 2012 -
Aljan
@barrington The icon 'mark feedback as helpful' beneath a comment will disappear within a few days the comment has been posted. I think we need to stretch this time.
29 June 2012 -
Aljan
Please, let's just talk about how to improve feedback, not about individuals.
29 June 2012 -
mblum4
luc I always try to my best there Luc ,,you told me to tell the people as i am doing ,,when something is wrong ,and i try to help whenever i can ,I really feel sorry what is happenning here ,just a pitty because i love the site ,i talk as woman ,you are just saying the same words as Mrs Barrigton ,its a pitty you always say something not really glad that why many people i knew have gone -thsi is not the only web site I am ,i also i amin other web sites ,and they love me as a person and also as a photographer -i feelsorry to hear thois ,its a shame ,that heart my soul ,,love to one another as your self
29 June 2012 -
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mblum4
Mrs Barrigton I came now ou for about me t your comments Mrs Barrighton ,we must learn that not all here are professionals ,first of all,it was only one time ,i shot a picture from a program of the tv ,not putting pictures from other photographers thats is not true -I am learning here ,as many of us ,we really must respect to others and let the people ,here express themselves ,I will not comment your photos ,but its a site done for everybody who loves photography as much as you like other photographer comments your work,,i I am gratefull we have learnt more since i am here ,i also i am participating in many contest ,,even i am an amateur photographer ,ijust everyday gratefull for the knoledge i achieved here ,,,be blessed ,,,
29 June 2012 -
mblum4
Mrs AlDJAN ,i will stop to comments on photos from Mrs Barrignton l-she wrote that she doesnt like me to comments photos from her her ,please i would like you to tell what to do on this ,,because i beleive i do makes the things good here ,and i feel hearted ,i dont think i have done something bad here ,,please write a feedback to solve ,and telling what i will do when the images from her comes ,,its a serious problem really,,i love thsi site as all of you ,I dont beleive have done something bad to her ,its all freedom here what can i do ?
29 June 2012
Maria Blumberg,,,, -
kanonkop
@Aljan i think i know what @barrington is referring to, I've sometimes had it where the helpful feedback icon isn't available.. (am using Chrome)
28 June 2012 -
justincbongers
Simple, if the feedback is helpful the person receiving it can then award the person the credits that was giving it.
28 June 2012
Make the feed back worth more credits so that people don't go under.
Instead of it saying what do you like. and what would you improve.
It would say what do you like and why.....
what do you dislike, and how would you fix it....
If people can`t tell you how to fix the problem there telling you you have. Then they should not be getting credit for it. -
Aljan
@barrington I'm confused why you can't mark it as helpful. It can have a few reasons, the feedback is very very short, or you already marked feedback as helpful 3 times on a certain day. And mark feedback as helpful that isn't helpful at all is working right now, but I don't think I can do something about that. I can't create that kind of intelligence. :-(
28 June 2012
Creating a page about how to give feedback can be helpful, but there aren't a lot of articles about it online. I know some basics about a positive vibe and basics in photography. If someone can help me with this, could you mail me? aljan@focussion.com
Currently I'm working on comments on feedback. This way it's easier to discuss about a certain feedback that was given. I think this will give more structure in the feedback system and allow us to discuss and ask questions way easier.
I don't think more fields in the advanced feedback will help us, because I want to keep it a bit free, but a good help page about how to write helpful feedback could work. But if someone don't want to take the time for writing helpful feedback, I can't do much about that.
Before the liking we had the rating, but that gave the website a negative feeling. Because photos that needed good feedback only get bad ratings. And that's not what it is about.
And @fredclarkphotography pointed it out, you will get feedback, but really helpful is kind a rare. A rating system, more fields or other features don't make this better I think. So that's a hard one to figure out. -
barrington
@Aljan Are we any closer to sorting this out?? I've had a picture on here now and someone has put a really helpful comment on yet I can not mark it as helpful for some reason. However, @mblum4 has once again commented a load of non sense that is no use whats so ever, yet I have the option to mark what she said as helpful. This is massively unfair. I stopped coming on here for a while in the hopes that something would be done about it by now, but alas, I'm here again a few months later and the same problem is still undermiming this site. It doesn't say much for the photographers on here when the most helpful member, whose face is on the home page of the site, is posting pictures she has taken off the tv. Infact it puts me off telling other photographers about this site as it is embarrasing.
28 June 2012 -
mblum4
its not quite often i receibed some comments ,in other photos any comments --i think we have to think in our perfection for ourselvesbut for others too ,I hear every negative coment,I became positive mind and i am learning so much now ,working with photoshop,elements 10 and other ptograms ,and i am grateful everbody who stops and say something about my images here ,,,really great ,,,pay atention what happen here ,not cold heart ,but we just watch many photos ,they are not professional ,but we have to be constructive enough to build in others ,the knoledge we have got ,its special for everybody ,for me ,its nice to be here ,what i want is to give the best from me to others too,,,i wish the best to everyvbody ,several issues must to be deal with ,its a nice site ,and i love here as our family of photographers ,be blessed Maria Blumberg
23 May 2012 -
dakkurt
I read comments and fead-backs. I think everybody right with their own view. There is no unique right view.
23 May 2012
But I think most interesting comment comes from @fredclarkphotography " lets think in reverse ...". If photographer says what he was trying to do, then commenter may be more helpful and more motivated to critic. Isn't it? -
PASM111
Huh, I'm new here, and I thought Advanced feedback was the only option! Go figure. (Thought that was what this site was all about).
23 May 2012
Getting/ Giving constructive comments using 'advanced" is my preference. (Notice I said constructive?).
If I was continually getting blind ratings, I'd really want to know why, not just keep failing to "make it to the front page", I can do that on a lot of other sites. I've been in many contests on DPReview -in some I place miserably and in some I do okay and even really good, but no one offers comments on why. For someone that wants to improve, that can be frustrating. -
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Aljan
@fredclarkphotography @barrington I'm following the discussion, and I wrote some things down. I will brainstorm with Michiel very soon about this. In the meanwhile I need to finish the mobile version of the website. I really appreciate this discussion, but I need some extra time in the evenings. :-)
21 May 2012 -
barrington
@Aljan' Id have thought you would have been able to offer a solution to what is going on here by now?
20 May 2012 -
fredclarkphotography
@zamilphotos in a private converstation a while back with another longer term member we discussed the same issue, your not alone with your thoughts. This is why allot have stopped posting here as there honest comments would more than likely be offensive so they dont make a comment at all. The Trillium shots I took was a 2 hour plus session trying to get that great image, I spend 5 min in PP cause I dont like it, and I still critic my shots then go back. I think this dedication for some photogs on here is whats holding us back and becomes work to critic a shot that obviously was a point and shoot with little thought.
12 May 2012
Can we have a page of the site that explains the basics of composition, aperature etc. for those that are beginers - the more advanced people here could help with this. There are a few things to remember and learn each time your camera is in your hand that turn a picture into an image, and sometimes you dont have a great shot to post - I went a few months with nothing I considered good enough to post here.
@Aljan We are consentratng allot on the comments after the shot - lets think in reverse of this. When people post a picture we need some fields to fill in that ask them to post what it is they tried to achieve, what there vision was and there thought process as they took the image, every image posted then has to thought about, has to be explained - this would make a critic much easier and much kinder approach and a great tool for the begining and advanced photographer alike to grow.